Cycling Safety – How Much Is Our Responsibility? | The GCN Show Ep. 321

Cycling Safety – How Much Is Our Responsibility? | The GCN Show Ep. 321


– From address, Chennai, India, the second longest beach in the world. Welcome to the GCN show. – Welcome to the GCN show, brought to you by Wiggle. – Coming up this week, should we as cyclists be taking more responsibility for our own safety? And we have another doping
scandal in the sport. – We do, and we should have stated that it also involved other sports too. I’ll also be giving an
update on my mission to go from zero to hero in ten weeks. This week, I’m gonna tell
you all about my diet. – Diet? What diet? – Exactly. You’ll see later. (upbeat music) This week in the world of cycling, we learned that Vittorio
Brumotti is firstly, incredibly skilled and
secondly, mad as a hatter. (wind blowing) – I wouldn’t even want
to walk along there, Dan. Let alone jump up on it and
ride along it on my bike. – No, me neither. – And we also learned that
Jenson Button hangs to the left. – It was off to the left. And I was like, that can’t be. Maybe I hang that way, so it’s okay. (laughs) – You heard it first. – Finally this week, we
learned that being in a thick of the action on the
run-up to a sprint finish in a professional road race, is not for the faint of heart. Turn the volume up high on this and enjoy. (cyclist hollering) (wind gusting) (garbled hollering) – Oh, that takes me back, Dan. A huge thing, he’s a vetton
for letting us use that video. It’s really, really good insight as to what it’s like in a bunch of them. – Yeah, absolutely love that video. Alright, our main topic of discussion this week though is, how much responsibilities we cyclists take for our own safety
when we’re on public road. And this is off the back of a tweet that I saw recently from Phil Garmon, where he effectively
screen grabbed his response to a YouTube commenter,
who criticised cyclists who wear dark clothing and
don’t use daytime lights. – His response then
was to question whether they would have had
difficulty seeing a black car, which I think is a fair point. But there was then a reply citing a study that concluded black cars are 47% more likely to be involved in a road traffic accident than cars of any other colour at dawn or dusk. – Hmm, interesting stuff. I mean we’re not gonna
go into a huge in-depth discussion about the best colour for a car or indeed for cyclists
to wear out on the road. But it did get me thinking, how much responsibility should we be taking for
being seen on the road? – It’s a good question then. – I guess, the argument that many cyclists will make is that more should be done to properly educate other road users about respecting vulnerable road users like cyclists or walkers
or horses or anything. And then secondly, that
more should be done to create separate cycle routes, allowing us to ride more safely and well away from the traffic. Or at least when we do have
to integrate with each other, that we can somewhat more harmoniously get on with each other. – Yeah, valid argument. But does that mean that we shouldn’t still be
making a real big effort to be as visible as possible
cyclists on the road? I mean back in the days when I was racing and riding full-time, I rarely used a daytime light. But on the occasions I
do get on my bike now, I almost invariably do. And the reason for that is because I’ve noticed that when I’m driving in my car, a rider that’s got a daytime light on, is far more visible to
me, than one that hasn’t. And I don’t see how that can be seen as anything but a good thing really. And likewise with clothing, I’ve certainly been guilty
of using dark clothing myself out on the bike. But particularly dark winter days that we get here in the UK, again I’ve noted that when I’m
driving behind cyclists, the ones with the brighter clothing on stand out far more than the
ones with dark clothing. – And you said you weren’t
gonna go into a deep discussion about cycle clothing colours. – I did, didn’t I? What, well I did. – Anyway regarding the use
of daytime running lights, maybe they should just be
integrated into our helmets or into our bikes or
into our helmets somehow. I mean, if you look at
most of the reflectors or lights that are available now, they’re generally bolt-on items, which are easily removed from the bike, making it easier to whip them off, if you think it’s a sunny day. And just be ignorant
and not use them at all. – Mmm. – If they were integrated and standardised in their seats stays or in the seat tube or handlebars or whatever, then we’d use them with
no fuss whatsoever. And be more visible for it. – Yeah, not bad. I guess, then it will
be the responsibility of the cyclist to ensure that those integrated lights are
charged up all the time. Wouldn’t it? Or I guess, you could
probably in the future, make ones that are self-charging. In fact, you probably make them now with the advances in technology. – Okay, then how about looking at it as you look at seat belts these days. People didn’t used to wear them, and they didn’t used to be mandatory, but now there are consequences if you don’t wear a seat belt. How about having consequences for not having daytime running lights? – True, then I guess we
could argue these points all day long couldn’t we? The fact of the matter is, that if you come into the path of a driver who’s not paying any attention to the road because they’re looking
down at their phone, you could be lit up like a Christmas tree and it’s not going to
make a jot of difference. But in all other circumstances, even those where the driver’s
only partially distracted, I think that the old mantra of the be safe, be seen
campaign still holds true today. – Yeah, I think you’re absolutely right. Anyway, it’s not about
what we think, is it? It’s about what you think. Do you feel we should be doing more to take the responsibilities of being seen into our own hands, or do you strongly feel that we shouldn’t be putting ourselves in
harm’s way in the first place? – Let us know in the comment section, which you’ll of course
find, just down below. Right, moving on from that
and talking about safety, we’ve got announcements made, because we’ve got a brand new helmet part, haven’t we, in the form of Bell. – That’s right. You may well have noticed in recent videos that we’ve been wearing Bell helmets, and from this point onwards, you’ll be seeing them all the time. – Yeah, for all the presenters, and I am particularly
pleased about this Chris, because I’ve been a
big fan of Bell helmets ever since the mid nineties when I fell in love
with their razor design and saved up my hard-earned money to use it on my mountain
bike and in races. But regardless of all that,
we kind of, we need a, we need a lot of safety here
as GNC presenters, don’t we? – Some of you do. – [Cyclist] Aaah. – [Cyclist] Uuh. (wind blowing) – You thought I was gonna
stack it in that last one, didn’t you? But I didn’t. I used hashtag skills
of a Zed to hold it up. Thank you very much. – I’m in awe, Dan. – Oh, thanks Chris. Right, let’s move on now to my latest vlog and this week in my
10-week Sufferfest mission to get from zero to hero. And I talked about Erg mode, which a few of you’d been asking about on my elite tree vote too, and I’m also gonna tell
you all about my diet. – Before we do that though Dan, I couldn’t help myself
and I had a little look on the Facebook page, Do
the Plan with Dan earlier. And it looks to me like a few people are putting a little bit
more effort in than you are. Check out Jim DeMintsir. – I can’t really argue with that, yeah. Another hashtag, must try harder. – Could have stayed with me. The omnium just done the third
session of week eight now. I muddled through, failed
a little bit the end of a couple of sprints
but all in all went okay. Quite much nicely seeing some
footage of Christina Vogel and through the footage that
they have them Sufferfest. What’s to think about there? But to answer one of the
questions that was asked after last week’s vlog. What is Erg mode? You wouldn’t know unless
you’ve got a smart trainer. But Erg mode effectively means that the trainer sets
the resistance for you. So, when Sufferfest tells
me that I need to be riding at 260 watts of the cadence of 90 RPM. Doesn’t matter what gear I mean, if I go at 90 RPM, I’ll be hitting the exact
wattage that is required. So, adjust the resistance for you. Well it’s really well,
especially on longer runs, it takes all the thought out of doing the gear changing, et cetera. For the short staff, I
tend to use level mode. It’s just a bit more reactive. And the other question I
got asked was about my diet. Let’s hit somewhere else. And from that point of view, you might be a little bit disappointed, because not much has really
changed with my diet. Besides I don’t think it needed changing much anyway because it’s pretty good. But that wasn’t the aim
really the last ten weeks. It was in me to get back on the bike and get a bit fitter and healthier. If I could pinpoint a couple changes, I guess my appetite has increased. So, I’m hungry between
the three main meals, and I’m eating accordingly, and I also am craving more
sugar and sweet stuff, like cakes and chocolate. And I allow myself them too. And as you might expect, I also allow myself a beer or two, when I feel like I deserve it. In terms of my weight, it has dropped, but again that wasn’t the aim. I started off at 73 kilogrammes. I’m now 71 and a half, but that’s just been a byproduct of doing the extra exercise. That’s all for this week’s vlog. Next week I’m going to be talking firstly about whether you have
a different FTP value for indoor training versus out. And secondly, in the saddle
versus out the saddle, because that is something
that has changed for me. – It is now time for our
weekly GCN inspiration segment, which is your weekly chance to win one of three
Wiggle voucher amounts. The lucky winner each week, gets a hundred pounds in vouchers to spend on whatever they
like on their online shop. Second place will net 75 pounds, and third will get fifty. Two ways to enter, you can
always use the uploader. There’s a link to that in
the description down below. Or the hashtag on Instagram
is #GCNinspiration. So, without further adieu, let’s get on with third place. – Yep, winning the 50
pound badger is Grzegorz on his C64 from Switzerland. – Yeah this is a satellite and I, I love a symmetrical
hair pin photo like that. So, that’s a thoroughly
deserved 50 pounds. I can’t see any rider in the photo there. – Well, he can spend the 50 quid on some brightly coloured clothing. It’s actually his friend Yan climbing. – Oh, it is. I wonder if they’re gonna
split the 50 pounds or not. – 25 each. – There’ll be a debate
between them, won’t it? Moving on to second place
today, this is a cracking shot. It came in from Peter, on his Planet X Space Chicken in Spain. That again, makes me want to ride a bike, which is the whole point of this segment. What a beautiful photo. – It’s an intense photo, Dan. – I see what you did there. – I reckon he’s got a tent in the bag. – … Piece comes with
baggage, doesn’t he? – Yep, definitely. – Right our winner this week then. (drumroll) – It is… Jakob with his Canyon Arrow SLX X on the “Bee-sa De Cam-ma”, Madeira – Yes. – Terrible pronunciation. – Wow. I mean, what a photo that is. Absolutely stunning. Oh and well deserved. I think of the winning prize
of a hundred pounds this week. Keep them all coming. We go through hundreds,
actually each week, when we’re choosing our
top three for the GCN show. Lots of 75s. It’s pretty hard to pick the
top three sometimes, isn’t it? – I submit lots myself,
but I never get in. – Well, no you’re always at the top when I look on hashtag
GCNInspiration on Instagram because you use it up. You’re not going to win, Chris. I’m sorry. – It’s worth a try, then (mariachi music) – It’s now time for cycling shorts. – We’re gonna start cycling shorts with a little bit of racing news, because at the Omloop Het
Nieuwsblad race on Saturday, we had a rather fast cool situation, because the solo leader
of the women’s race, Nicole Hanselman, had been riding so fast she caught up with the
tail end of the men’s race. – Yeah, so what did they do? Well they stopped the
women’s race of course. And you can imagine how that went down on social media. Corinne Rivera was more
than slightly peeved that they had stopped the faster race, rather than the slower one. Which would normally be the case. – Yeah, we can understand
her being peeved, can’t you? On to more caches now, this is a really terrible segue, but what about the
Australian team pursuits caught at the world challenges in Poland on the track last week. They smashed the world
record by 1.8 seconds taking just three minutes and 48 seconds to do four kilometres,
which is incredible. I remember when they
didn’t think four minutes would be beaten. – It wasn’t that long ago either. If you look at this
graphic by Xavier Disley, you see that not only did they start fast and then maintain it, they also kind of started
to play with the GB team as they eased off back
down to the GB schedule, before accelerating into
the distance for the final. – Hmm, yeah. Almost look like they were
toying with the Brits there, didn’t it? Moving on. Unfortunately, it appears
that cycling is once again embroiled and in the
midst of a doping scandal. You may, well you
probably did see the video last week, which went
viral on social media, of cross-country skier Max Hauke, who was literally caught
in the middle of the act of blood doping by Austrian police. I mean if you haven’t seen it, it’s one of those videos which you didn’t really want to look at, but you couldn’t help but look at it. It was so cringe-worthy, wasn’t it? – It was a bit. I found myself watching it over and over, trying to work out what
was going through his mind. Anyway we won’t go into the ethics of how that video ended up
online in the first place, but we do now have to
talk about two reasonably high profile cyclists, being embroiled in what seems, they were very targeted, doping investigation. – Yeah. Those two cyclists being
Austrian Stefan Denifl, and the rider from group Armour
FDJ, that’s Georg Preidler. Now Denifl apparently
has confessed to police that he has been involved in blood doping at some point in the past. Where as Preidler has gone the
more traditional excuse route of saying that, yes he’s had
blood extracted and stored, that he’d never ever used it to cheat. – Ha, I feel like I’ve heard that before. – Now I did express my thoughts on this on yesterday’s GT racing news show, but for those of you who didn’t watch that I’ll reiterate them here. Obviously firstly, I’m
pretty embarrassed about this because I’m pretty sure I
publicly stated here on GCN that I didn’t believe that
this sort of blood doping was still going on at the
very top level of our sport and I’ve just been
proven completely wrong. Secondly, Denifl was actually
was a former teammate of mine back in 2010, and he’s quite a nice guy. And that’s sort of disappointing, because you always want to feel that these sorts of dopers
that do this kind of thing, are sort of a nasty character, or at least dislikeable in some way. And that wasn’t really the case. I’m still gonna stick to my
guns a little bit on this, in that I firmly believe that our sport is a million miles away from where it was
at the Festina scandals, the operates in Puerto, or the U.S. postal, or all of those things. But there’s no doubt I’ve
been a little bit naive and you can feel free to
tell me that I’ve been naive if you’d like to do so, in the comment section down below. What I can say is thank goodness these riders like Denifl
and like Georg Preidler are being caught in some way, even if it’s by the
authorities or the police. Because rather worriedly, it appears that they didn’t throw up any suspicious blood values through the anti-doping blood
test that the USADA conduct. – Yeah, I found that quite shocking. Either way, I just hope
that the video of Max Hauke being caught red-handed I guess, serves as a deterrent to any athlete that would consider cheating, and I’m sure it will. – I agree, and I do think that is going
to be a large deterrent. – Well, we’ll see. Anyway Dan, it’s been confirmed, we’re boring. – We have that confirmed every week in the comment section, Chris. – Okay not you and I specifically, but cycling as a spectator sport has been confirmed in
a YouGov study or poll, that is the eighth most boring sport. In a study by YouGov, cycling was voted the
eighth most boring sport. We couldn’t even beat golf,
cricket, snooker, darts. – Clemens love cricket. In fact, Clemens loves
most of those sports you’ve just mentioned, I think, instantly. Anyway if you want to take
this as a pinch of salt, the survey was reasonably limited, 1,616 U.K.-based participants, and if you’d like to take a more glass half full approach to this, we were actually voted the
10th most exciting sport in that survey. – [Chris] That’s a good
positive spin though. Some more good news now from Uber, they have released a stat, that more journeys have been taken on their jump electric high bikes, than in their user-sharer cars. – Yeah, that was over in the Californian capital of
Sacramento, wasn’t it? – It was, Dan. – And I think that most people are going to be pleased of that. But there is a distinct
anti-ebuy brigade out there, that I’m noticing at the moment. So I’m sure not everyone’s
going to be pleased. If you don’t know what
those jumpy bikes are, it’s basically a dockless
bike sharing scheme across 12 cities in Germany and the US, and in fact we’ve got something quite similar here in
Bath, haven’t we Chris? (laugh) – Yes we have. We are the fastest Uber in town. Look how happy Steve Jones looks. He’s envious of our speed,
and he’s on a lead bike. (techno beat) – We’re gonna move on now
to a little bit of tech because whilst Mr. Cannings
was over at the UAE tour, while he wasn’t going around trying to looking for a
cricket match to watch, he actually bumped into
somebody from China, who gave him a heads up that the CCC team are currently testing out
some new giant wheels. – [Chris] We have absolutely
no information whatsoever, but they did allow us to film these shots for a teaser for both us and for you. – They did, and they also promised us that they will reveal the
details to us very soon indeed so stay tuned to G Syntek, because surely once we receive those Cannings will be making
a video about them. – Yep I did also notice
that Greg Van Avermaet was using them at Omloop Het
Nieuwsblad for the weekend, so I’ll be interesting to find out more. – Yes I would stick with tech and teasers for a few more moments actually because we want to ask
you if any of you know what this potential
wonder material at Trek, are appearing to release
fairly soon, could be. – Ooh, recycled plastic bottles? Or curtains or something? I literally have no
idea what it’s gonna be, but Trek say we will find
out on the 19th of March. If you have any idea, drop
it in the comments below. – We might have somebody from Trek that might leave us a little
clue in the comments below. It might be somebody watching. Anyway Trek also made waves last week when it was announced the
REI shops across the US would begin to stop Bontrager
parts and accessories. Bontrager of course being a
company that’s owned by Trek. – Yep, we saw this story on
the bicycle retailer dot com, REI, for those you that don’t know, is a chain of 154 bricks and
mortar stores across the U.S. The news was kind of met
with general disdain really from independent retailers as they fear they’re gonna be undercut – Yeah, which is understandable. Although when I was looking
through the comments underneath that article, there also seem to be quite a few people that own bike shops independently that said that John has
done an enormous amount for independent bike
stores over the years. You have full confidence in him, but it’s certainly caused
quite a stir, doesn’t it? We’re gonna do a bit of a call-out to our own shop right now, shop the GlobalCyclingNetwork.com. It probably hasn’t escaped
your attention today that Chris and I wearing
some rather bright t-shirts. Country t-shirts as you can see. I’m looking rather cool. Chris is as you can see, is looking rather warm actually here under the lights of the GCN set. Anyway we currently have 16 different country tees available, so there should be one for you. Head over to the link
which is in the description just down below if you
would like to represent GCN with your country. And if we’re missing some, let us know in the comment
section down below, because there are room for more. (drilling buzz) – Next up it is hack forward
slash bodges of the week. Put a bit more effort into your forward slash
next week please, Chris. Additional chance of course to submit your hacks and bodges to us using the upload or a link to which is in the description below or indeed using social media the hash tag being #GCNHack. First up this week is this from Josh Dray, who’s made an emergency ass
sabre from a milk bottle, McDonald’s straw, and sandwich bag ties. – [Chris] Wow sandwich bag ties, I haven’t seen those for years. – [Dan] Hm, well I’m sure
it does the job well. And that straw does look
like a mini exhaust, but I’m still going to say bodge. – Yeah, moorop. That’s the exhaust sound, then. Do you reckon it makes that
noise when he’s riding along? – You told us what is was, Chris. – Next up, is JonM5222, multi-trainer hacks and bodges. Clothes drying rack, HVAC duct tape, anti-sweat coating, electric actuator, with wireless remote to raise or lower the front of the bike. – [Dan] Wow. I don’t know why you
mentioned the first two parts of clothes drying rack and duct tape. Because if that actuator does
work and raises and lowers your bike in accordance with whether you’re going uphill, downhill
on Zwift, for example, that’s genius. And a definite hack, if I do see any video
evidence of that in action. – Oh, I can’t get over that frame. What have you done to it? – Well, he’s covered it in duct tape so it doesn’t rust. – Does carbon rust? – Is it carbon? – I don’t know. – [Dan] This is from GillyGuiseBikeHacks. It’s a phone cover with a
very, very, very poor attempt of a GCN logo drawn on the back. I mean, that has to have
been sumbitted as a joke. I hope. – Yeah. It’s got three likes on Instagram. (laughing) – I like that fact that he’s
called GillyGuysBikeHacks, maybe change that to GillyGuysBikeBodges in the future, if that’s the level of hack. – [Chris] Alright,
ScottHamiltonPhotographer up next with 110 voltz dual cooling fan component wired into a dimmer box, mounted to a tripod. For an on the cheap wind machine. – [Dan] Wow. – [Chris] Otherwise known as a fan. – [Dan] Yes. Well that’s going to be a hack as well. Again, if that thing works. Because people make
these, don’t they know? You can buy them, but people have made them
and sent them into us before where the fan speed increases
as you’re going harder. – Well, he saying that’s his next step with a bluetooth sensor upgrade. – That will tease me to read the rest of the caption next to the photo. That for me, is most definitely a hack. I’d like to actually have
one of those at home. I need to purchase myself one. Next up, this came in
from PuraVid in Texas. “I avoided working on
cycling cadence until now. The prostetic foot would
fly off at high RPM, and even slow cadence whenever
I hit any bump in the road, which is really frustrating. But this industrial grade velcro solved the problem perfectly, if not beautifully.” That’s going to be a hack, isn’t it? – [Chris] I think that is absolutely. Really clever. – [Dan] Alright next up, we have this one, which I’m just following the link now. It’s from Bryce2, over
in Vienna in Austria. He thought it was a pity
to throw his old tyre away and found that he needed a night lamp. And well, gives rather the
amtmphere there in his room, isn’t it? – [Chris] Quite clever, man. – [Dan] Is it a hack from you? – [Chris] Oh it’s a hack. – [Dan] Yeah, I think it’s a
hack from both of us there. And finally we have got this. This is on our uploader, it came in from Mandalay in Burma. This is from Robert that sent it in. “I’m from the Philippines
but I live and work in Burma. We just finished a project up in Mandalay. On the way back I saw this shop selling bicycle and motorbike helmets, and the photo in the hoarding
looked very familiar.” And there we are Chris, with our fellow presenters on shop, over in Burma, which is amazing. He then rather spoils it in the end, “I just wanted to share how you
guys are quite popular here. Even if they probably
don’t know who you are.” (laughing) – Thanks, Robert. Lovely to pictured on the
other side of the world, but say you’re right, they probably have no idea who we are. (dance beat) – Caption competition this week, to be able to win a GCN camel back bottle. All you have to do, is
have the best caption. Simple, isn’t it? – As voted for, by you and I
basically this week, isn’t it? Last week’s photo was this one of a couple of guys warming
up before a time trial. And the winner is this one from Gazey_85, “You think you can win today? Who nosebud” I mean, I do quite like that. A million times better than the one that set me a half an hour
to think of last week. I really was getting
my self quite depressed here in the set trying
to think of anything, and it ended up being poor anyway. I’m going to try to do
slightly better this week. The caption is one of
our presenters actually. This is Ollie over in Oman, starting his haute route time trial. I will get you started, “Oh Ollie, I think you hang
the same way as Jenson Button.” Great reaction. I’m sure you had the very
same reaction at home. If you can do better than that, leave your captions in the
comment section down below. And one lucky winner, will receive a bottle
in the post next week. Oh by the way, Gazy_85
make sure we get in touch on Facebook with your address, so we can get that sent to you. (dance beat) Before we tell you what’s
coming up on the channel over the next seven days, I’ve actually picked out about
five of our favourite comments from the videos that came out last week. Starting with this one, which is underneath the show. While you remember, we
questioned whether cycling is the toughest sport in the world. This came from B-Sherf. “Cyling is definitely a hard sport. However, I’d say in running I’ve suffered more than I have on the bike. Biking allows you to
reach your physical limit, but in a more comfortable
way than in running. To reach your limit in running
you have to break yourself. The physical forces on
your joints, hips, knees, and ankles is much greater
than when you are biking”. There were quite a few
comments along those lines. And it was just a question
that we posed to you and there probably are a lot of sports where you suffer more. Boxing, and any fighting. Hence from the point of view, anyway. We also had this from Tim Stratton. “That Orbea Orca thinking was a real Orca as it head for the sea at 15:30?” – Back to Lloydy, in the studio. (laughing) – Underneath get fitter in less time, “Sshhh, Don’t tell Dan”, from Darren Ellis. Thought that was quite clever. – Yes, so did I. – And underneath the
steepest climb, we had “uhmm, you forgot that
Lasty will get the KDM soon” – Lasty doesn’t get KDM, he just suffers a lot
riding up climbs and gurns. And we all miss that, and hopefully he’ll get
back out gurning soon. And finally underneath
cycling trendsetters, this from Luke Stockton, “CampanYALO whaaaatttt” James
and correct pronunciation of foreign language
words don’t go together”. And I think we should
relive that magical moment. – Camp-en-yalo. (slowed down distortion) – What I love about that, is he’s clearly made an
enormous amount of effort to get that pronunciation spot on, and just slightly failed. – I think it sounds
better than the original. – We do like taking the
mick out of hank, don’t we? He does the same to us, off screen. But he’s kind enough not
to do it on the screen. Anyway, coming up on
the channel this week, on Wednesday we’re going
to tell you everything that you need to know about gear ratios, and that’s a rather complicated subject. So I’ve left it to
someone else to do that. On Thursday we’ve got
a change to the norm, because we’re going to
have Ask GCN anything on Thursday instead of Friday, and that is because Friday
is International Women’s Day. And such, that day, we’re
going to let you know who the most inspirational
women in cycling are. – On Saturday, we have ask the pros, how much does your bike weigh? On Sunday, an epic ride… (mumbles) Road bike versus gravel bike, which will be good. On Monday, we’ve got racing news show. But don’t forget, on Sunday we also have some live racing over on our Facebook page. And on Saturday there will
also be highlights from the Strade Bianche. – There will be indeed. Yeah, we got live coverage
of the Grand Prix Industria at Artigianato, which is the next round of the Italian ciclismo cup. On Monday, as Chris said, we’re back for the racing news show, back in the set for the GCN show. (metal music) – We shall finish with extreme corner. Put your arms down, Chris. We’re going to treat you to
the full video of Brumotti that we gave you a little
bit of at the start. Watch and enjoy, if you can. (wind gusting) – How much would you have to
be paid to even attempt that? – It’d have to be a lot. It’d have to be worth more
than my life insurance. (laughs) – Yes. Well I just don’t think
I’d do it full stop. Far, far too dangerous for me. What I would consider doing
is attempting to ride up what is now being known as
the world’s steepest climb. Which is exactly what Ollie, and James, and a mystery guest did recently. And if you haven’t
already seen that video, you can catch it just down here.

100 Replies to “Cycling Safety – How Much Is Our Responsibility? | The GCN Show Ep. 321”

  1. if you ride on the road the car drivers talk shit , if they make a cycling path , you have people walking on it and blocking the path with their dogs and kids , there is no win , if you cant see people on the road drive yourself off a cliff !!!

  2. gaining an advantage is a part of cycling , there is nothing wrong with it , it doesn't hurt anyone , or anything , unless maybe the rider dies , cycling is a boring ass sport , lets go faster push harder who cares what people use ..

  3. It makes no difference how visible you make yourself as a cyclist. The number of times drivers have pulled out of junctions without checking or just see straight through you. You simply don't exist until you are tapping their windscreen or shouting at them! At least some of them have the decency to look mortified or apologise. Others are just dicks and keep slamming on brakes or flipping the bird. Our Catalan town even took the backward step of removing bike lanes since the motorists didn't respect them anyway! Seems selective vision exists as much as selective hearing!

  4. Caption:Ollie was heard to say, I don't know what your trying to find, but I'll give you another 5mins to find it.

  5. Taking measures to be more visible is fine, but the problem comes when the powers that be put that responsibility on cyclists even if there is no legal basis for such victim blaming. In most countries, legal responsibility lies solely with a driver to be aware of whats around them, and to drive accordingly, but you wouldn't think that from many comments made in our courts by both police and judges. In a recent case in Ireland a driver walked free after having killed a cyclist, citing the fact that the sun was in his eyes as his defence. Not only did the jury accept that as an excuse, when it shouldn't have, but the police officer who gave evidence rubbed salt in the family's wounds by mentioning the fact that the rider was wearing dark clothing, which was clearly not a factor in the case given the driver admitted he couldn't see anything at all.

  6. I believe the law in the UK at least, states that a motorist should drive within the limits of their lights and brakes. IE, there is no excuse to run into a black cow with its arse towards you on a dark night.
    Alas, so many winkers drive with phones on, silly screens on, etc. There is no excuse for magistrates taking an absence of hi-vis clothing or lighting into account when sentencing drivers who have blundered into cyclists.
    All this from a bloke who wears bright gear and who won't now go out without serious flamethrowers.
    Self preservation, darlings…….

  7. Caption Competition: Ollie takes on 'boring' sports all at once. Darts- Ollie scores a Bullseye! Golf- Ollie gets a hole in one! Snooker- Ollie lines up to sink the brown! Cycling -Ollie decided to have his internal cable checked over! 😂😂😂😂

  8. I could listen to Travolta, er Chris, all day…. Great discussion on visibility and lights integrated into bikes and helmets…. I do believe it is our responsibility as cyclists to be "lit up like a Christmas 🌲". I cycle YR in Portland Oregon and find that motorists are still pissed that I'm in the road. But they don't complain that they didn't see me….

  9. The four members of my family all run day time lights, and bright clothing. I was recently heard swearing about a nice man, kitted head to foot in black lycra, black helmet, black glass, on a black bike with black wheels, and no lights. On a clear tree-lined road, he was almost invisible until he has less than stopping distance away. If you go out cycling, running, walking kitted out like a ninja – do not expect to be seen.

  10. Road Safety Debate: 20 years ago there were about 13,000 traffic Police, now there are about 4,000 (1 per 1,000 miles of road). 20 years ago all I took on a cycle ride was drink and food. Now I have a camera, mobile phone and two sets of high power rear flashing LEDs yet I feel less safe. Deliberate close passing is the norm. Twice I have avoided a collision where the drivers couldn't see around their Smartphone fitted illegally on the windscreen via a suction mount. Also very common are drivers with one hand on the steering wheel, the other busy scrolling on their phones.

  11. I always lecture my 5-y old son, while cycling: ''First you must do everything in your power to keep yourself safe, only then you can demand of others (car drivers, other cyclists, …) that they take care of you.''

  12. A bike without lights (front and tail) only shows that is the biker who really hasn't lights enough. However I can't agree with the whole dark-clothing-thing. Last ride a friend of mine was yelling about that (I was in black jacket in plain daylight in a sunny day). He was in a light grey jacket that, in daylight, was tarmac´s exact same color. The moment he was 50 m ahead of us his light colored jacket was definitely less visible than mine (more easily hidden in tarmac´s color). So, I guess is Fluor yellow or any other color… I use both lights and (I ride often at sunrise hours) a reflective helmet, reflective shoes (and my bike has got reflective handlebar tape and saddle…). So if a driver gets near me he couldn't say it was my black jackets fault…

  13. I wear reflective and fluorescent kit. I also use lights day and night. We are the most vulnerable on the roads. I don't trust drivers to watch out for me. I take my safety seriously

  14. Trek material—Graphene? [ is an allotrope of carbon consisting of a single layer of carbon atoms arranged in a hexagonal lattice ]

  15. Agree that bright colors and daylight visible lights help drivers, and add to cyclist safety. That said, here in the U.S. many cities have cut the number of police officers that perform traffic patrol. Here in SoCal drivers run red lights, speed, use hand held phone and text, very few tickets get written, very little traffic code enforcement. Because of those facts, as stated in governmental reports GHSA and NHTSA, pedestrian and cyclist death rates have increased double digits over the last five years. California is wrangling over air quality standards, and traffic. CA has created planning departments for "Multi-Modal Transportation" (planner buzz word), while at the same time expecting suburbanites to ride their bike to the grocery store and risk getting hit by a driver. Fact, I biked to SDSU commuting in the 80's never drove, cycled across U.S. three times, club teams, mtn bikes, League Cycling Instructor. I am afraid to ride half a mile to the grocery store at rush hour now because of aggressive, uncontrolled drivers. Done. Thanks for listening.

  16. Integrated lights are already here. My Speedx has an integrated rear light on the seat post. It starts to blink at dusk.

  17. Be safe and be seen! I’ve come across people at dusk wearing dark clothes with no lights and didn’t see them until I got close. We need all we can use to be safe.

  18. Your safety is your responsibility
    Assume every vehicle is a threat to you and be mindful of its position as it nears you use bike lane if they’re provided.
    Don’t ride roads known to have oblivious drivers or no shoulders where you can run off if need be. Wear a brain bucket, have some lights on your bike (flashers preferably) and maintain your bike
    ride within your limits
    ALL that is rider responsibility IMO

  19. If you are cycling at the speed of traffic flow DO NOT KEEP TO THE SIDE. Go in the middle and live a little longer.

  20. All valid points on safety but, riding a bike is still healthier than not riding a bike (even with the risk of getting driven over by a car) so putting up more barriers to entry is a bad thing IMO.

  21. We need a Guyana t-shirt, they be perfect as there is a Guyana Cycling News media team who report on all things cycling in the country! It's a great flag by the way.

  22. One of the biggest things around where I live are potholes. I rode 26 miles and saw 5 cars. That said I do still use lights and bright clothing.

  23. Unfortunately there are many road users who do not pay attention and/or simply dont show consideration to cyclists. there is little one can do to prevent an accident with these people. However, as a cyclist it is my health that is at stake, so i do everything possible, bright colours, defensive riding, avoiding busy roads etc to ensure i can both enjoy my cycling and to get home at the end of the day. to chose to wear dark clothing in poor conditions is taking unnecessary risks, how many of those insisting on wearing dark clothing wear helmets, mits etc? I also wonder how many that insist on wearing dark clothing have been involved in an accident. And to compare a black car to a cyclist wearing black is silly. At the end of the day it is up to the individual, if you are happy to take the additional risk, fill ya boots.

  24. Stupid drivers will miss you no matter what you have on,I always ride in bright colours and daylight lights during low light conditions and still have idiots pull out in front of me or pass with a few centimetres of space at too much speed. Drivers need to take responsibility just as cyclists need to take responsibility when riding near pedestrians

  25. I do what modern cars do , run with day time lights on, whatever the conditions are. We won’t ever know how many accidents are avoided with this approach to safety. It does seem to me however that if the car industry is taking this approach it’s probably good that we us cyclists do too.

  26. Nice to see American Football in its rightful place. Most of the time players are simply standing around. One can only imagine where baseball would fit on that list.

  27. One big difference from days past. Is that the advent of LED lights has changed everything. Gone are the days when you had a rather anemic AA incandescent light. It seemed that every other ride the batteries needed to be changed. That was always an irritation for me. Tossing out so many batteries over the years. And again for so little light, front or rear.
    The crop of LED front and rear lights are light years ahead. I have a super bright 900 lumen light out front that can flash or be constant. Plus it has different levels of brightness depending on the conditions. The rear isn't so bright but gets me lots of comments from drivers and other riders. None of which ever happened with my old AA lights.
    MORE importantly, both are rechargeable. My front even can change batteries on the fly. It uses a standard 18650 battery which is easily found. I really love that I am no longer fill up land fills with wasted batteries.

  28. Something that cyclists can take from motorcyclists – bright colors are good, red is often a great color because it instills a sense of alarm to other users of the road. I personally wear a lot of green on my bicycle because its the colors of my team/sponsor, but I wear red of my motorcycle as well.

  29. Trek's new material looks a lot like a Kevlar Carbon Nanotube Prepreg Honeycomb, lightweight, flexible and very strong. It could also be press moulded. Just a guess!

  30. I recently installed a cycliq fly6 and noticed an immediate decrease in the number of negative interactions with motorists. Given that the motorists don't know they are being videoed it can only be the effect of daytime lights.

  31. I have just ordered two new jerseys, and they are black. And I am not gonna cancel that order. If i get run down, well… then I hope I don´t get hurt to much. I only ride in the daytime, and you should be able to see me, even if I was wearing camoflage….

  32. Regarding doping in sport as a general point of view , i think there need to be even more hard punishment for doing so….i think that caught and proven , it should automatically mean you can no longer participate in any sport at all for the rest of that persons live. that's the only way to cope with it. Not only limited to the sport in where that person was caught.

  33. Last summer i was in a brite kit, front & rear lites crossing an intersection, guy on open car music blasting, ignored the stop sign nearly hit me i yelled just in time, he said sorry, i didn't see you, i yelled back, you didn't see the stop sign either! Even our city's bikepolice have stories of motorists not noticing them! Having daylites only help prove your lawsuit. Always ride defensive regardless having lites or not!

  34. 14:40 hey, darts can get pretty intense. This is coming from a golfer (which is in all honesty mind-numbing to spectate)

  35. Has Dan donned a t-shirt outta the packet ? – as much as I'm dressed as bright as a clown when a cyclist I'd melt into the floor if I was recognised 😎

  36. Front white and rear red flashing, and don't think for a second that a car is going to give you the right of way. Follow the traffic rules. It's called survival. Yeah, motorists can be clueless, but I've seen some pretty douchey moves by cyclists too.
    It is our responsibility. 
    Oh, and Phil. Don't be a dick. Black cars can be hard to see but then it's just some bent body work, not a bent body. I agree with nayr. Stay safe

  37. @GCN free gear is a perk of your job and fair play for getting awesome kit. But disappointed to see you wearing helmets that apparently supports the NRA https://www.bicycling.com/news/a20049195/vista-outdoor-boycott-guns-nra/

  38. I drive, cycle and ride a motorcycle. I do so defensively because I don't know if someone on whatever vehicle they have will do something dangerous.

    I see so many bad riders and drivers in London that it's not worth taking the risk.

    Yellow helmet and lights are a must at night, but riding defensively has cut down the near misses to almost zero.

  39. Visibility… there's a distinction between "more is better" and "enough is enough". Someone in a bright coat with a DRL is "more visible" than someone without… but if you can see them anyway then what's the issue? Ever hear someone lamenting that the person they've just seen on a bike in black was invisible? I've heard it more than once, but despite the invisibility, they still saw them!
    While reflectives have been shown to be helpful in dark/low light, fluo hi-viz, despite being obviously easier to see, doesn't actually seem to do anything to reduce the accident rate. Also worth emphasising that where you are on the road has a lot of influence on how easy you are to see: perspicuity vs. conspicuity, as "Cyclecraft" has it.
    One thing that pretty much everyone seems to agree makes us safer is more cyclists. Pushing YELLOW coats and crash-helmets as should-have or must-have items puts people off (for some it makes it sound dangerous before they start, many teens won't want to dress that way and would sooner walk, and so on) so by trying to make ourselves hopefully safer as individuals we may make it more dangerous for ourselves as a population, with our very own "Look at me, I'm in an outgroup!" uniform. All the while we're "cyclists" rather than people on bikes we're probably more subject to outgroup persecution and associated lack of care. Ian Walker has done a study that concluded that hi-viz had no useful effect on passing distance: it's not that they can't see, more that they don't care about you.
    Daytime running lights are, for individuals, probably a good idea for many. But for the population you don't gain by pushing that because it's just another barrier to cycling, and you also end up in an arms race.
    As often, it's about context. If you look at the doom/distance ratio of different classes of road then something like an urban minor road is 8 deaths/billon km (national UK average about 22, Dutch is 12) and a rural main road is 170! (all figures from 2011, ones I had to hand). So if you're out with your head down on a rural A road practising for your next TT while occasional cars come around blind bends behind you at 60 you arguably need to worry a lot more than if you're trundling through light traffic to work in town. But please don't say everyone needs DRLs, you'll just put people off getting on a bike for easy, everyday transport.

    (Seatbelts… you should read "Risk" by John Adams)

  40. Being visible is a common sense issue. There are times in the middle of the day where a black kit is simply going to standout more than a light or colored scheme. Contrarily, most often at dawn, dusk, or night it would seem a simple concept that bright/light colored kits would provide the best visibility (however, because black "is the new black" in cycling, it seems to be the most common kit even for evening rides). Also, I think it's ridiculous how many rain/foul weather gear (rain jackets, long sleeve cold weather jerseys) are blue, grey, or some subtle color that would typically blend with the general color of the day during those conditions.
    I would like to believe that the average cyclists are smarter than this & would put some thought into what they're wearing based on the day. It doesn't mean you'll be perfectly safe out on the road, but it would certainly give you a little better chance, eh?!?

  41. Rider is 100 percent responsible for their own safety. To think otherwise is foolish. I hate traffic so I search out back roads and dirt. No fun riding with traffic, or distracted and angry drivers.

  42. Who picks the photos? First place is actually not a good picture at all… I'm a professional photographer.

  43. There are a lot of irresponsible car drivers; therefore a lot of cyclists should learn to be an assertive bike rider as well as cautious within means when riding on the road with vehicle drivers. Perhaps this why some cyclists convert to Mountain Biking; don't have to contend with car drivers on the road. They can fully enjoy bike riding without the worry of a careless car driver.

  44. I love that the guy riding his bike on top of the barrier meant to stop him from falling off a cliff is wearing his helmet. Safety first.

  45. Caption: Ollie comes up with an ingenious warm up equipment idea as he realises he’s forgotten his rollers

  46. I ask myself everyday why bikes are not sell with all the necessary electric wiring to plug lights and properly housing for batteries. And why all stuff in cycling is sooooooo expensive? A decent, reliable front light costs more far than some full bike options out there!

  47. My accidents in the past 5 years have been mechanical or tram tracks (light rail lines down the middle of the road that you need to be really careful crossing).
    My near misses and risky situations have been drivers not bothering to head check (I can see their heads, it's not a visibility issue), drivers coming straight at me and beeping their horn (valuing a little of their time above my life), pedestrians running on to the road from behind a tall parked vehicle, car doors, pedestrians on the wrong side of shared paths, kids being erratic and cyclists accelerating or moving in to my path when I try to pass them in a commuting context. Some of those can be helped with liberal use of a bell (which wasn't mentioned in the video), but I could be a rolling Christmas try and not mitigate what seems to be the risks in my context.

  48. I dont have a drivers license, but when I do, I damn well know I will 100000000000000% have more respect for softer targets than what I see in my every day life. People who dont respect shark teeths on the road (Whats that called in other countries?) is 1 piss annoying part of my cycling route in the morning, oh and cars who make a turn down the road when were both crossing a junction and dont wait for cyclists etc. I always assume all drivers are morons, better safe than sorry.

  49. We should all take responsibility, riders, drivers etc. We can use our lights and clothing and everyone should be aware

  50. Two points, okay three: Even eye contact is no guarantee. I've eyeballed a guy coming towards me at speed and turning right. I was wearing high vis, and he still ploughed into me – because he was looking for a car. Also I'm wary of taking on responsibility – to avoid victim blaming, where it' becomes our fault if we are not deemed to have worn enough glitter. Is it our fault if we dressed wrong? Is a rape victim to blame if she dressed 'wrong'? Extreme example but the same thing. We are there in full size flesh and blood, we are legitimate road users and there's no excuse for not seeing us. Drivers are supposed to see kids and dogs and balls in the road. If they cant' see full size human beings and their bikes they are incompetent and should lose their licences. End of.
    Lights are good though. Cyclists are now possibly safer at night than in the day now because, as Dan says, they can be spotted 100m away and there is no doubt what that flashing light signifies.

  51. Hi viz clothing is never off my back. Wearing black or dark is just nuts. If I ever get hit by a car I want to say ‘What didn’t you see?’ I’ve just bought a florescent orange fleece with reflective bands. £20 off the local market, a bargain. Stay safe.

  52. If you're not an idiot you take 100% responsibility for your safety. It's always better to assume that car is going to hit you than to assume it sees you.

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