r/maliciouscompliance | Casino Compliance About The Dress Code…

r/maliciouscompliance | Casino Compliance About The Dress Code…

“Self Metering Flower Pot” defeats HOA
OCL When I was in high school back in the late
90’s, one of my teachers shared a story with the class in order to explain why we would
have a substitute teacher in the next week. This is by far my favorite story in the vain
of Malicious Compliance. My teacher was in his late 30’s, married for
only a couple of years, and over the summer he and his wife bought their first house together. As is typical, the house was in a development that had an HOA. While he wasn’t thrilled
at the idea of a meddling HOA, it is a necessary and unavoidable evil. He went through their
CCR’s with a fine tooth comb and decided that while there was some stuff he wasn’t a fan
of, overall he could live with it, so they signed the papers and bought the house. About a week after they move in they get a
Non-compliance letter, stating that the tree in their front yard was not an approved species
and must be removed. Problem is the tree was native to that spot, was estimated at 80 to
100 years old, and was a Pecan. I mention the type for two reasons. First, a Pecan produces
nuts (obviously) and that is why the HOA said it can’t be in the front yard. After all,
a lawnmower flings a rogue pecan through a neighbor’s window and there will be an issue. The second issue is that this was in the Dallas, Texas area. The Pecan is the state tree of
Texas and as such gets a little legal protection. Basically, to cut one down you need to have
a permit. To get that permit you have to show the tree is diseased or a hazard. Just being
in the way is not sufficient. My teacher is upset as the tree is large,
provides lots of shade, and he likes eating pecans. He writes back to the HOA who turn
a deaf ear and point to the CCR and refer him to their legal team for any further questions. He then contacts the county and state who both come back with he can’t remove the tree
without a permit or he will face a large fine and/or jail. He copies that letter and sends
it along with his own letter in a certified envelope to the HOA lawyers. The lawyers come
back that the CCR is binding, he is not allowed to have fruit or nut producing trees in his
front yard, but ornamental trees of flowers and flower pots (this part is important) are
fine. If it isn’t removed in 30 days they will begin fining him. At this point he gets
his own lawyer and turns it over to him. A couple of months go by and we are to the part
of this story where he is explaining why there will be a substitute. He will be going to
court to have a judge weigh in on the matter. The next week comes and after the court hearing
he comes in and says that basically he lost as the judge ruled the CCR did apply and the
tree had to go, however since it was a native tree at the time of development, the HOA would
be responsible for all costs of removal, not him as the homeowner. Now, most people probably
would have let it go at this point. Sure, you lost the tree, but it isn’t costing you
anything. Not my teacher, the man decided it was time to protest the overreaching HOA
and their absurdity. So, he got to reading. After going through the CCR’s thoroughly,
he took a trip to Home Depot and bought some hose, fittings, and a nicer Kohler toilet. He set the toilet up in the middle of the yard right where the tree had been and ran
the hose and fittings to his outside faucet so that it was hooked up for water in (not
hooked to a sewer, this is the front yard after all). He then dumped some potting soil
in the bowl and planted some decorative flowers. It took a few weeks, but the non-compliance
letter came in stating he had “house waste” is in front yard and it must be removed within
72 hours or he would be fined. He wrote back there was no house waste. They responded again
and he stated they needed to come show him where this supposed waste was. The next day
an HOA guy comes out and points right at the toilet and says it can not be there, it is
an eyesore. My teacher responded, “Sorry you feel that way about my self watering flower
pot, but I see nowhere in the CCR’s that state what style of flower pot is or is not allowed.” HOA guy gets verbally heated and threatens to call the cops to which my teacher agrees. Having his bluff called the HOA guy leaves. A week or so goes by and the class I am in
is pestering our teacher everyday for new stories on this. He said he got a letter from
their lawyers which he sent straight to his lawyer. His lawyer agreed with him that the
CCR in no way, shape, or form puts any qualifiers or limitations on flower pots and as the flowers
are clearly visible, it doesn’t constitute “debris or trash” in the yard. A few back
and forth things happen between the lawyers and then the HOA moves for a trial, which
gets the same judge as before. The judge reviewed the case and dismissed it as frivolous. He
did put in his remarks or decision something along the lines of “While the defendant’s
choice of a flower pot is eye-raising and isn’t traditional, there is nothing illegal
about his use of a commode as art in his yard. The plantiff has failed to demonstrate any
sound reason this would violate existing rules and bylaws of their association.” Let my blood run just to prove a point about
the new dress code OCL
TLDR at the bottom Okay I have worked in a lot of different industries
but this happened while i worked in a casino chain in the UK. At 19, I was a bar tender
and shifts would usually be 12 hours at a time. While I worked there the dress code
was smart black (so smart trousers and black shirts) which men and woman had to wear because
it was comfortable. To get more tips, even though I was classified at a bar tender, the
company forced the women to work on the casino floor making us walk in circles around the
gambling tables and made the men stay behind the bar. The woman were not allowed to stand
still so even on a quiet day we still had to walk in circles, this was made easier with
our uniforms being comfortable. Although it was frustrating to walk around for hours on
end the pay was good so we complied. Then the company held a meeting and told us
how they decided to change the uniforms. Unsurprisingly the guys uniforms didn’t change at all but
the women were told to wear tight grey dresses you could barely move in and high heels by
the next shift, it was clearly to look more appealing and get more tips. Of course my
female coworkers and I were ticked off about this and told the managers that we will not
only have restricted movement but will also be in pain by the end of the night if we have
to walk around for hours in high heels on the hard floor. Management did not care and
told us to suck it up. After this we all gathered in the changing rooms and talked about how
there is no way we are wearing this new uniform and shouldn’t wear it in protest. That’s
when I had an idea. I suggested that my coworkers do what they have planned and I will wear
the new uniform because we needed to prove our point. After a long discussion and hesitation
they agreed and let me do it. The next shift I walked in the building in
the new uniform, my god it was uncomfortable, the dress made it difficult to turn my body
round and bending over was near impossible, it was so tight that when i did kneel down
I was scared it would rip. Management were really happy to see that I complied even saying
to my coworkers how they should learn from me. I had to keep it cool while they said
that as I was already started to get sore from the heels. It was a busy night and I
was running around like a headless chicken, the dress made it difficult to keep up the
pace as I struggled to breathe properly (I think the dress was not designed for this
kind of movement) and the pain from my shoes increased to the point that at times I had
to attempt to crouch for a second in the back to give my feet a rest. My coworkers started
begging me to stop and just get flat shoes on for my own sake but I declined stating
how I needed to prove our point so I pushed on through the pain till the end of the shift. Management came in when we all finished to
see how everyone was and asking me how I found the shift. I smiled and said it was great
with one small problem. I removed my shoes for the first time in 12 hours and stood in
front of my managers mildly shaking. Their faces went from all smiles to shock when they
looked at my feet to see my blood running on the floor from the open wounds on my heels,
the injuries covered the entirety of my heels with dried blood on the back of my shoes. They started telling me I should not have done that and should of worn flat shoes but
I reminded them saying “but it’s part of the new dress code, I had to wear high
heels like you told me”. As the injuries were exposed I started to feel the pain intensify
and had to hold back tears but my shaking got worse. They made me sit down and got the
first aid kit for my feet as I started to unzip the back of my dress saying how hard
it is to breathe. The dresses were still compulsory but the
dresses were made looser and we never had to wear high heels on shift again. Are these circumstances extenuating enough
for you? OCM
I’m the warranty head for a retailer dealing in large machinery. The vendor sells to us,
we sell to the customer, then I deal with any warranty claims on behalf of the customer. We also sell attachments for the large machinery,
like grapples and hammers, which have their own warranty terms. We purchased a set of grapples in 2017 and
kept them in stock until finally installing them onto a machine that we sold last month. Immediately they started having issues. No problem, we went out a replaced a $1700 part
that had failed. I submitted the claim to the grapple company. Unfortunately, the grapple
company just got bought out by a different vendor, who is playing hardball, and my claim
is denied. Technically, the grapple company only warranties
their parts for 1 year from the ship date, not the install date. We keep a large stock
count of their grapples as part of an unwritten agreement between our companies–the former
owner was a personal friend of my company’s owner. Maintaining our own stock makes inventory
easier for both of us, rather than having to place a rush-order for each machine we
sell. We make up a large portion of their yearly sales. I resubmit the claim requesting goodwill compensation
and was denied again. I resubmitted a third time detailing the understanding we had with
the previous owners. The new warranty guy on their side sent me the response: “[Grapple
company] understands the situation but we aren’t able to help. Our warranty guidelines
are clear that no warranty will be considered if the terms have expired outside of extenuating
circumstances, and we require all retailers to follow those terms to the letter. If there
are extenuating circumstances to this claim, please advise.” Fine. $1700 is not a truly significant amount of
money, but this lack of warranty issue does promise to become MUCH bigger as time passes
and could make it non-profitable to carry their brand. I make a recommendation to the
head of sales, and he gives me authorization to throw my weight around. I email them back saying, “We appreciate you
must follow warranty guidelines as written. We consider the extenuating circumstances
to be the continued relationship between our two companies. If you disagree, we must also
begin following our guidelines to the letter. Per our terms from [x document], we will be
returning all items approaching the year-mark for full credit. We will not be continuing
to keep advance stock. As [grapple company] has had significant issues in the past handling
JIT-inventory requests we will also be looking elsewhere for a supplier. Please advise your
staff to expect the first return shipment by the end of the week. Thank you for your
time.” Surprise surprise, the vendor’s new president
came rushing down to visit us personally and unruffle feathers. He, my head of sales, and
I sat down and hashed out a written agreement for new warranty terms to reflect our ‘stocking
understanding’ and ‘continuing good relationship’. I got my measly $1700 credit and, more importantly,
what amounts to a carte blanche on all future claims. Their warranty adjuster has been instructed
to handle us with kid gloves. Getting back at my employer
OCS I was told to post this here I am contracted to start work at 8:45 but
I usually get in for around 7:20 so that I can skip traffic. Because of this, I usually start working because
why not? The last couple of weeks we have had frequent
server outages so it’s been incredibly busy, so I’ve been non stop working since 7:20
until 5:30 (with my hours lunch break) Well two days ago I took a 10 minute break
to grab breakfast at 9 am and my boss went ape crap, saying that I would either have
to make up the time on my lunch or have to stay after work. So that was the turning point, I stopped working
at 7:20, instead getting to work at 8:40 and making myself a coffee before I start, my
boss tried to get me to start going back in at 7:20 but there is no obligation for me
to go in.

70 Replies to “r/maliciouscompliance | Casino Compliance About The Dress Code…”

  1. OMG!!!! For MONTHS I was thinking Jake says “please to hit subscribe “ and just thought it was a strange British phrase 🤦‍♀️ Please DO hit subscribe. I’m an idiot!!!!!

  2. If you are already using a commode /toilet as a flower pot … explain to the neighborhood … using 2 different analogies.

    1. Written words stating, "Well I guess it's time to dig a new one. " While this doesn't convey much …

    2. Build a board framework depicting a bathroom with a silhouette of a person sitting on said toilet with a speech bubble … well I guess it's time to dig a new one.

    3. Be ready for email and HOA notices … lol

  3. I don't understand why the HOA did not bother the previous owner.
    As for the first ruling, I think the point is that the representative from the HOA will never be able to get the needed permit, and will get jail time if he proceeds without one. It made it their problem, not the home owners'.
    Anyway, generally trees can be sprayed so they don't produce fruit. I suppose that would be the case with pecans.

  4. This is what I get for just listening while at work. The entire story I’m thinking “I’m gonna look up this nut, never heard of a peakin before”
    Then I read it…

  5. Wait..the HOA sent a letter about the tree two weeks after he moved in. Why did they not send a letter to the previous owners since the tree obviously had been there for years if it was producing that might shade

  6. Former casino worker/food service worker here and all I can say is if you put your waitresses in heels over flats you have obviously never worn heels before. Even as a man I know you don't wear heels for longer than an hour or two at a tins

  7. responding tot he thumbnail… well, maybe he is homeless… homeless doesn't have to mean jobless… you gotta have a job to get a home, maybe he's recovering.

  8. My Aunt was in the restaurant business all her life. There's no way in hell a career waitress comes to work in high heels. She'd have blisters the size of pancakes before lunch. What the hell were they thinking?

  9. High heels for any amount of time is hell. Also I don’t know how but you found an awful way to pronounce pecan. I didn’t even know you said pecan till you mentioned nuts to which I briefly thought you’ve never read the word before

  10. I thought it was a cool sounding tree and then i just realized your saying pecan once i you said he likes eating pecans and i looked at the spelling

  11. The reason why the HOA "won" over the tree is because they were basically petitioning to remove the tree, but that is also why they had to eat the costs for the tree's removal, just the same way the owner would have eaten the cost if they were the ones wanting it to be removed

  12. Forcing your customers to walk constantly and pointlessly for hours at a time needs to be made illegal. It's dangerous and unhealthy

  13. Was very confused on what a "peekan" tree was. Then I figured out that ur pronouncing it weird. Just looked it up… pecans are from the Americas, Europeans didn't have them before colonization. They borrowed the word from the native people of Guataloup. Therefore the American pronunciation, "pee-khan" "or P-khan" is correct because that's how the natives said the word. God I hope I'm right and don't sound like an American a-hole lol

  14. Must been a townhouse. Those fucking hoa will complain about anything. Hoa should have delt with the tree before the new owners arrived.

  15. Jake, I love u buddy, but please don't clickbait us with your thumbnails. That thumbnail was not what that story was about at all.

  16. Warranty adjuster told to handle us with kid gloves. Bet it was more told if this happens again you will be looking for new work without a recommendation.

  17. Why did the HOA wait until the teacher moved in before doing anything. The tree was that old that it should have been removed before the house was build.

  18. @10:35 That was going overboard to prove a point! Couldn't you have gone a half shift in them then show management that wearing heels for just that long "would be no problem"! Of course you've put it in terms to let them think you're doing this to back them up. Then they can be shocked by the result with less damage to you.

  19. HOW the crap can a hoa declare immediate destruction of a state and federally protected species of tree?? surely that organization would have to deal with heavy fines, and other consequences?? such as Jail time? I would think state courts would have MORE clout to over ride any HOA's in ANY state??

  20. 6:20 I'm surprised the Judge ruled against the Homeowner as the tree has bee there since the creation of the HOA (why didn't they move to remove the tree in the first year of the HOA?) but what REALLY confuses me is to remove the tree, the HOA needed a Permit from the State, how did they get that Permit since the tree wasn't diseased or a hazard (the only 2 listed reasons a Permit would be granted)?
    Did the HOA remove the tree without a Permit (and if so, the Homeowner should report the HOA to the State for the Violation, which usually carries HUGE Fines)…

  21. Stuff like what the casino tried to pull is the reason for the Japanese #KuToo movement.

  22. It is very hard to trigger me but good sir, congrats you did just that. Pea-Can? Really??? XD I get Peh-Cahn or Pea-Cahn but not Pee-Can

  23. Dude, seriously! Learn to fucking read! it is bRand, with R. A Band is a collection of musicians with or without singers and has nothing to do with stocking anything (unless you're a music store)

  24. "While he wasn't thrilled about having a meddling H.O.A., it is a necessary and unavoidable evil" must be a regional thing. I live in the midwest and not only have I not ever lived in a HOA. I had never heard of one till I started listening to these stories. I think you would be hard pressed to find a HOA outside some really overpriced gated communities that are franchised from out of state.

  25. HoA: "We raise you a Non-compliance letter for that ugly Pecan in your frontyard."
    Me: "I raise you [Texan Law(s) protecting the Pecan] – which supersedes your petty HoA ordinances."
    And when the Judge ruled in HoA's favour, I would have escalated it up the court system until State Supreme Court. And SSC would probably have said: "State Law supersedes HoA ordinances. Period."

  26. I always arrive at my job early and often start working before I'm paid. It's resulted in being paid for my full hours even on days I've had to leave a few minutes early. If that stopped, I'd still arrive early but park my ass in my car until it was the absolute last minute.

  27. About a million years ago, my cousin, who was born in North Carolina, married a guy from New Zealand whose family had emigrated to England, so we had some interesting accents flying around. At the rehearsal dinner, I was seated beside the groom's brother. Carl and I had a good time, yocking it up over family weirdnesses throughout the meal. When the dessert was served, it turned out to be pecan pie. Carl leaned over and whispered, "I don't mean to be rude, but… what is this?"

    I explained what it was, and told him, "It may turn out to be the richest dessert you've ever put in your face. Unless you're one of those people who hates rich desserts, you're gonna love it."
    I love the facial expression that emerges when a person skeptically tries a new food and finds it utterly ambrosial. Carl savored it in teeny, tiny bites, and said very little as he ate it other than, "I have a new favorite dessert," and "I need to get a recipe for this."

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